Evidence of meeting #121 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was list.
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5:45 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound
Yours could be amended; that's true.
That could work too, Mr. Masse.
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound
We'll get to it after we are done with Mr. Garon's subamendment and after we're done with CPC-7.
I'm willing to entertain.... If you want to speak to what it does, that would be okay because it's pertinent to the discussion that we're having on CPC-7. They deal with the same issues.
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON
We were going to introduce this subamendment to CPC-7.
Mr. Chair, you're saying that our subamendment to CPC-7 wouldn't be a subamendment of that?
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound
Well, no, it's an amendment in and of itself, so it's hard to frame it as a subamendment to CPC-7.
In any event, looking at the clock, I don't think we'll necessarily get there.
Right now, we need to deal with MP Garon's subamendment and then CPC-7.
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON
Okay, but I'm trying to make the case for the fact that what we consider to be a subamendment you're calling an amendment. I get that maybe you think that that's....
Mr. Chair, I totally defer to your judgment on this, so I definitely won't contest you here. It's just that I felt like the subamendment that Mr. Gaheer was going to introduce would have dealt with the specific concerns that I've been trying to ask the officials about and on which I think their testimony here would help us.
My understanding, Mr. Schaan, is that the subamendment that Mr. Gaheer provided to the committee in advance would have—
5:45 p.m.
NDP
Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON
I have a point of order.
It's confusing. It's not a subamendment. It's an amendment that's been dropped on the table, and to continue to refer to it as a subamendment confuses people, because a subamendment would actually do something different from what's being proposed by the parliamentary secretary. It's a full on amendment that's actually been tabled as a full on amendment, so it can't continually be referred to as a subamendment, because that's not actually what it is, and calling it that just confuses the heck out of everybody.
5:45 p.m.
An hon. member
Yes.
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound
Granted, Mr. Masse, for the sake of clarity, but I think we all understand what Mr. Turnbull is referring to. However, it is true, because it rewrites the section completely, that it is an amendment more than a subamendment, but now we're getting lost in—
5:45 p.m.
Conservative
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound
We all know what we're talking about.
Mr. Turnbull, I'll yield the floor to you.
You don't have the floor, Mr. Perkins. I have other speakers ahead of you. Now we're on the subamendment proposed by MP Garon. That's what we're dealing with.
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON
Okay. What was going to be proposed by Mr. Gaheer—whatever we want to call it—removes financial and biometric information from the list that is in amendment CPC-7 for the reasons—
5:45 p.m.
Conservative
5:45 p.m.
Liberal
May 1st, 2024 / 5:45 p.m.
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
I'm sorry to do this. I understand that what you're trying to do is to have a fulsome discussion, but I think the chair has already ruled. You're asking questions about an amendment that we're not on. We're on the subamendment to CPC-7. This is a different amendment that you've put on notice.
I'm not sure why we're allowing questions on an amendment that's not on the table.
5:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound
—I'll ask you to try to stay on the subamendment. We'll have some time. I understand it's relevant, to some extent, but let's try to narrow in on the subamendment we're debating right now.
5:50 p.m.
Liberal
Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON
If I may, I think amendments CPC-7 and NDP-6 both deal with sensitive personal information, and so does the subamendment Mr. Gaheer was going to introduce.
In past debates, we've had conversations about whole packages of amendments that are related to the same clause or definition, and we've allowed the discussion to clearly indicate—and every member has been involved in those debates, so let's not now change the standard of how this committee is proceeding now when we've been doing that the whole time. We've been doing that the whole time we've been proceeding here. We've looked at the implications of a whole package of amendments that relate to the same section of the bill.
All I'm trying to do is to make sure we know that if we vote this particular subamendment through, it will make amendment NDP-6 moot and it will make what Mr. Gaheer was going to present moot because it won't be admissible.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong—
