Government Operations committee  Thank you very much for allowing a follow-up. We did want to come back and talk about what we're doing on measures of collusion to ensure that the procurement system has integrity. I think it's worthwhile to circle back to the issue that we just went with in terms of the findings and recommendations as they relate to favouritism.

Government Operations committee  I think the procurement ombudsman also spoke about this in terms of having industry participation. We have to make sure that we're shaping a solicitation that is not too restrictive and is encouraging open competition. We need to have the dialogue with the supplier base to see if it's doable and if the timelines are going to be met.

Government Operations committee  I do not accept that there is favouritism for McKinsey in the current system based on our assessment as a common service provider.

Government Operations committee  Restitution is something that we look at across various elements of ArriveCAN and other cases like we just described. We have had conversations. I have advised the minister that the issue is with legal, looking at the various approaches that can be taken and with the client whose budget it is.

Government Operations committee  I'm going to ask Catherine, who's closer to the....

Government Operations committee  We'll have to come back with a written response in terms of the Department of Justice and the CBSA, in terms of next steps for restitution for ArriveCAN.

Government Operations committee  In terms of PSPC's position on findings and recommendations, we agreed with the procurement ombudsman's report. On his conclusions, and he has come here and spoken about the fact that he is making negative inferences, PSPC is a little bit more nuanced. We have found no examples of favouritism.

Government Operations committee  In terms of the conclusion, PSPC has also noted in a document that it doesn't have the same assumptions as the procurement ombudsman. I don't know if you'd like to add anything—

Government Operations committee  I do not accept the findings, although PSPC is not impacted in it, so it's a little bit difficult—

Government Operations committee  I think there are niche uses for both. From a client perspective, having a solution is probably a very helpful approach in terms of digital delivery.

Government Operations committee  I think those decisions are made in consultation with the client and the business requirement, and that procurement strategy evolves and looks at those different elements.

Government Operations committee  I think, in trying to explain the policy instrument, you'd have to think of it as a catalogue of a very specific store, the self-benchmarking and data—

Government Operations committee  That is a fair statement to make. If you'll permit me to add, I would also note that one of the key elements of establishing those national master standing offers is that we did it in a very transparent way. It may have been unique to the various vendors in question—McKinsey is today's topic—but we had it out, it was posted, it was published and they're aware....

Government Operations committee  That is correct. Moreover, it was the intent to make it more efficient for the government to procure those services.

Government Operations committee  I certainly can. I just want to add a footnote to this. I believe there's a production order, and this is probably part of the hesitancy. Understanding that, we will come back with the names.