Public Accounts committee  You're never as prepared as you could be, but the reality is that cyber-attacks continue to increase worldwide. You just have to google the number of companies that get hacked on a daily basis. It is expected. What you have to do is limit the damage, and in this case the damage was extremely minimal.

Public Accounts committee  The data breach actually got a very small amount of data from Aurora, and we were subjected to blackmail. Basically, they tried to force us to pay to not release it, but the amount of information they stole was extremely limited, so we made a decision as an organization not to pay.

Public Accounts committee  It didn't. The reality is that anybody can read any of the news. Cyber-attacks are increasing. As we've seen with the Government of Canada in the last year, since I've been here, a number of cyber-attacks have disrupted services. Every organization is under attack. The vast majority of organizations have been subjected to successful attacks, so it's not uncommon at all.

Public Accounts committee  I've never worked directly with them at the CBSA. When Mr. Doan was CTO of Canada, I had a number of interactions relevant to that role.

Public Accounts committee  The chief technology officer has monthly meetings with all the CIOs around town, which I would have attended as well. Additionally, I did meet with Minh shortly after I joined, just to get a debrief on the ISTB function at CBSA.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you. This is actually being run by our internal investigation as well, including the recovery side of things, to ensure that there's no conflict of interest. I'm not aware of any more information. I'm not privy to that internal investigation.

Public Accounts committee  It is actually surprisingly easy. The reality is that Shared Services Canada is accountable for email and the policies around that. A person can choose to delete their emails. Emails are retained for 30 days—they can't be permanently deleted then—and after that they're deleted.

Public Accounts committee  It's a very small commitment: probably, on average, five hours per month.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry. I don't understand the question. Did I play what role?

Public Accounts committee  I sit on a charity board and another board. That's all.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I'm comfortable that I'm able to do both.

Public Accounts committee  What Pillar 9 does is provide the MLS services specifically to realtors in Alberta, so there is no chance that it would ever work for the Government of Canada. Second, when I joined, I immediately filed a conflict of interest report that went through the proper channels. It was ultimately signed off on by our president.

Public Accounts committee  Yes.