Evidence of meeting #110 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
I get to respond to the commentary by Mr. Gerretsen. I know the member is new and doesn't know the rules, but that's how it happens.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey
Mr. Seeback, keep your comments on the motion before the committee.
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
I get to respond to the comments by Mr. Gerretsen.
Rather than dealing with the minister, who came to give us her time to defend her indefensible decision to give $6 a day as income support to people suffering from disabilities, he used his time to bring this motion. We're here and doing this because he chose to waste the minister's and committee's time by moving this motion, which has nothing to do with people with disabilities.
Remember, we're here to talk about how we're supposed to support people with disabilities, and this is—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey
I'm sorry, Mr. Seeback.
Mr. Coteau, was that you with the point of order?
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Liberal
Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON
Yes. I want to add that the minister is responsible for many files, including anti-racism, so it is quite relevant for us to have this conversation. Thank you.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey
Thank you. I would remind all members to keep their comments to the motion that was adopted by the committee by majority vote for discussion until it is dispensed with.
Mr. Seeback, go ahead on the motion.
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Well, thank you, Mr. Chair. Part of speaking to the motion is to speak to what happens when someone brings a motion with no notice to the committee in the middle of a committee meeting to hear what a minister has to say. We get to speak on that as well.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey
Mr. Seeback, the motion is in order. The committee accepted the motion.
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
I understand that, Mr. Chair, but we get to speak on the effects of bringing a motion in committee. That's part of what has happened here today.
Actually, what's happened is worse than that. The minister for labour is supposed to be here now. We're at 4:50. It was supposed to start at 4:30, but instead, at the last minute, Mr. Gerretsen has now interrupted the appearance of two ministers with his motion, whereas we wanted to actually speak to the minister of labour about many things—for example, about how they spent $600 million on outside contracting when those jobs could have gone to good union-paid public servants.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
The relevancy of the motion is that he has brought a motion to disrupt the committee, and therefore I get to speak on what's been disrupted as a result of bringing a motion.
The fact of the matter is that the minister of labour was supposed to appear to answer questions just like the minister here right now, who has not had the opportunity to answer questions because a motion was brought by this Liberal government. Let me tell you: There are lots of questions to ask of the minister of labour, but unfortunately we're stuck here discussing and debating this motion right now.
I mean, we just had a letter from Canada's Building Trades Unions talking about how terrible the Stellantis deal is for unionized workers.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey
Mr. Seeback, please—I would ask all those who are speaking to speak with relevancy to the motion.
This is not the first time. Both sides have introduced motions in the middle of having ministers or other witnesses appear here. As you know, that is the right of committee members to do in their time. Mr. Gerretsen moved a motion, and it was adopted by the committee. Doing that is certainly within the rules of the committee, and I would ask you to keep your comments to the motion that was adopted by the committee.
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Well, the motion hasn't been adopted by the committee. We're debating whether or not it's going to be adopted.
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
That's correct. We're debating the motion. That's correct, and I am—
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey
That's correct, so it's relevance to the motion that was accepted by the committee for debate.
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Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Well, Mr. Chair, I disagree with your decision to say that I can't talk about the effects of introducing a motion during the questioning of ministers. There's a consequence as a result of that. This goes on at many committees. I've served on many, and when someone brings a motion, people get to talk about the effects of that motion. It's happened at every single committee I've been on.
I'm talking about the effects of bringing a motion in the middle of the time when two ministers were supposed to appear. The government members brought this motion—
